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	<title>Comments on: The Webcomic Overlook #87: Loyalty &amp; Liberty</title>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-14636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think it’s safe to say that the cats of Loyalty &amp; Liberty reside in some sort of Cat Uncanny Valley. If Garfield lies on one end of the spectrum and Lackadaisy lies on the other end of the spectrum, then Loyalty &amp; Liberty lies directly in the nadir.&quot;

That&#039;s not how the Uncanny Valley works. Garfield and Lackadaisy aren&#039;t opposite ends of the spectrum, they&#039;re points along the continuum of realism. Like this:

Garfield (Cartoony)---&gt;Lackadaisy (A bit more realistic)
---&gt;Dreamworks&#039; Puss in Boots (Edge of the valley)---&gt;L&amp;L (Depths of the valley!)---&gt;Real Cat (Awwwww!)

Here&#039;s a good one for human characters: http://www.toplessrobot.com/uncanny_graph_blog.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it’s safe to say that the cats of Loyalty &amp; Liberty reside in some sort of Cat Uncanny Valley. If Garfield lies on one end of the spectrum and Lackadaisy lies on the other end of the spectrum, then Loyalty &amp; Liberty lies directly in the nadir.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not how the Uncanny Valley works. Garfield and Lackadaisy aren&#8217;t opposite ends of the spectrum, they&#8217;re points along the continuum of realism. Like this:</p>
<p>Garfield (Cartoony)&#8212;&gt;Lackadaisy (A bit more realistic)<br />
&#8212;&gt;Dreamworks&#8217; Puss in Boots (Edge of the valley)&#8212;&gt;L&amp;L (Depths of the valley!)&#8212;&gt;Real Cat (Awwwww!)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good one for human characters: <a href="http://www.toplessrobot.com/uncanny_graph_blog.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.toplessrobot.com/uncanny_graph_blog.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Webcomic Overlook #172: The Paul Reveres &#124; The Webcomic Overlook</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-11905</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Webcomic Overlook #172: The Paul Reveres &#124; The Webcomic Overlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I have a feeling that there&#8217;s standing bet on the internet somewhere to see who can make the most adorable interpretation of the War of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-8327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, it&#039;s basically Lackadaisy, if Lackadaisy was set during the Revolutionary War and was a massive fail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it&#8217;s basically Lackadaisy, if Lackadaisy was set during the Revolutionary War and was a massive fail</p>
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		<title>By: Foxenawolf</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-3102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxenawolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is refereshing to know, the reason I immediately freaked is because, by pure co-incidence, my comic and L&amp;L launched rougly on the same day. &quot;oh crap im next on the chopping block&quot; Here&#039;s an easy note. The prolouge (which is almost done) is all in black and white, the first official arc is in colour, and it should be apparent when its over. I hate that I can only upload once a week, I&#039;d do more if I could. You seem like an AWESOME person and despite your reviews, good and bad, you&#039;re someone I can really respect for your honesty. If you&#039;re ever free to chat, you can find my contact info fairly easily tough my comic website: http://deviacomic.com &lt; im fairly good about critique and review (even though i haven&#039;t been reviewed OR interviewed yet, but im new and my Genre isn&#039;t exactly as orthodox as most, and no i don&#039;t attempt to curb peoples opinions and/or views about me and my comic either. I just like to chat with readers of many comics like you.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is refereshing to know, the reason I immediately freaked is because, by pure co-incidence, my comic and L&amp;L launched rougly on the same day. &#8220;oh crap im next on the chopping block&#8221; Here&#8217;s an easy note. The prolouge (which is almost done) is all in black and white, the first official arc is in colour, and it should be apparent when its over. I hate that I can only upload once a week, I&#8217;d do more if I could. You seem like an AWESOME person and despite your reviews, good and bad, you&#8217;re someone I can really respect for your honesty. If you&#8217;re ever free to chat, you can find my contact info fairly easily tough my comic website: <a href="http://deviacomic.com" rel="nofollow">http://deviacomic.com</a> &lt; im fairly good about critique and review (even though i haven&#039;t been reviewed OR interviewed yet, but im new and my Genre isn&#039;t exactly as orthodox as most, and no i don&#039;t attempt to curb peoples opinions and/or views about me and my comic either. I just like to chat with readers of many comics like you.)</p>
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		<title>By: El Santo</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-3098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Santo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest, I don&#039;t usually go after brand-spankin&#039; new comics.  I thought it was OK to do Loyalty &amp; Liberty because, despite the meager content, it had been out for two years and was already into its second issue.  (Sort of how comic review sites do reviews based on solicits of issue #1&#039;s in a series).

Also, it was around the 4th of July, and I was trying to review some American history themed webcomics that time of year ... of which there are not that many.

If I do get around to checking out your comic, I&#039;ll be sure to read it after your first story arc concludes.  Promise.

Also, and apologies if it sounds harsh, but I don&#039;t go easy for trying.  Mainly because I&#039;m almost certain all the 1-star webcomics I&#039;ve reviewed weren&#039;t for lack of trying.  If it&#039;s any consolation, I do highly respect and applaud all webcomic creators for their hard efforts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I don&#8217;t usually go after brand-spankin&#8217; new comics.  I thought it was OK to do Loyalty &amp; Liberty because, despite the meager content, it had been out for two years and was already into its second issue.  (Sort of how comic review sites do reviews based on solicits of issue #1&#8242;s in a series).</p>
<p>Also, it was around the 4th of July, and I was trying to review some American history themed webcomics that time of year &#8230; of which there are not that many.</p>
<p>If I do get around to checking out your comic, I&#8217;ll be sure to read it after your first story arc concludes.  Promise.</p>
<p>Also, and apologies if it sounds harsh, but I don&#8217;t go easy for trying.  Mainly because I&#8217;m almost certain all the 1-star webcomics I&#8217;ve reviewed weren&#8217;t for lack of trying.  If it&#8217;s any consolation, I do highly respect and applaud all webcomic creators for their hard efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxenawolf</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-3096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxenawolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh ouch...considering I&#039;ve advertized on this comic&#039;s website SEVERAL times because of its similar content I&#039;m amazed at the score. You&#039;re review... unfortunately, is spot on in many cases but I would also call it a matter of preference. You dont like Revolutionary war comics. Fair. The designs leave a bit to be desired... very true. But She is trying, the backgrounds and detail she puts into this comic is effort that in web comics is rarely seen. Your review however makes me beg this of you, if you ever feel the itch to review my comic, Devia, please wait. In its current state it isn&#039;t much to look at and I would shudder to get so harsh a critique as you&#039;ve given L&amp;L so soon out of its gate. The only reason I say such is because mine is on a similar vein as L&amp;L (albiet Hyper-history with other elements that have yet to be seen) I probably wasn&#039;t even on your agenda and now I&#039;ve gone and handed myself a hangman&#039;s noose, haven&#039;t I? Devia hasn&#039;t reached past its prolouge, I welcome review and critique once it has had more time to develop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh ouch&#8230;considering I&#8217;ve advertized on this comic&#8217;s website SEVERAL times because of its similar content I&#8217;m amazed at the score. You&#8217;re review&#8230; unfortunately, is spot on in many cases but I would also call it a matter of preference. You dont like Revolutionary war comics. Fair. The designs leave a bit to be desired&#8230; very true. But She is trying, the backgrounds and detail she puts into this comic is effort that in web comics is rarely seen. Your review however makes me beg this of you, if you ever feel the itch to review my comic, Devia, please wait. In its current state it isn&#8217;t much to look at and I would shudder to get so harsh a critique as you&#8217;ve given L&amp;L so soon out of its gate. The only reason I say such is because mine is on a similar vein as L&amp;L (albiet Hyper-history with other elements that have yet to be seen) I probably wasn&#8217;t even on your agenda and now I&#8217;ve gone and handed myself a hangman&#8217;s noose, haven&#8217;t I? Devia hasn&#8217;t reached past its prolouge, I welcome review and critique once it has had more time to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: El Santo</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-2354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Santo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks fine!

Also, I fully support your assessment that I&#039;m a &quot;hater&quot; ... though it&#039;s not as cool as the time some guy called me &quot;Captain Nihilist&quot; (a title which I love so very much).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks fine!</p>
<p>Also, I fully support your assessment that I&#8217;m a &#8220;hater&#8221; &#8230; though it&#8217;s not as cool as the time some guy called me &#8220;Captain Nihilist&#8221; (a title which I love so very much).</p>
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		<title>By: Whisp</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-2353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whisp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow the formatting on that was terrible.  But hopefully even in spite of the horrendous grammatical issues people still understand what I was trying to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow the formatting on that was terrible.  But hopefully even in spite of the horrendous grammatical issues people still understand what I was trying to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Whisp</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whisp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually know her and hope she won&#039;t take the review too hard as I like the comic and don&#039;t really follow the furry scene.  

Have friends in it and I just go... oh ok.

I&#039;m afraid to be judgmental, afraid not to be.  So I stick in the middle ground and sliiiide away from anything that would damn me.  One way or another.

In any case, I personally like the story and don&#039;t find the cats terrifying.  It actually is kind of like a cattish soap opera though and as a girl I naturally don&#039;t find the dialogue bad and the art so detailed that I wish I had that kind of patience.  

But the one thing I have to say is that I feel terrible for laughing at what you wrote when you were commenting about their eyes.  It doesn&#039;t have anything to do with the art but just your take on it.

With this said if I ever get a one star review for my comic everyone has the right to laugh at anything the reviewer wrote and I forbid any of my friends to feel sorry for me.

I deserve it.  :P

And meeze if you read this don&#039;t worry.  El&#039;s just a hater ;)  lol.

All in good humor
~W]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually know her and hope she won&#8217;t take the review too hard as I like the comic and don&#8217;t really follow the furry scene.  </p>
<p>Have friends in it and I just go&#8230; oh ok.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid to be judgmental, afraid not to be.  So I stick in the middle ground and sliiiide away from anything that would damn me.  One way or another.</p>
<p>In any case, I personally like the story and don&#8217;t find the cats terrifying.  It actually is kind of like a cattish soap opera though and as a girl I naturally don&#8217;t find the dialogue bad and the art so detailed that I wish I had that kind of patience.  </p>
<p>But the one thing I have to say is that I feel terrible for laughing at what you wrote when you were commenting about their eyes.  It doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with the art but just your take on it.</p>
<p>With this said if I ever get a one star review for my comic everyone has the right to laugh at anything the reviewer wrote and I forbid any of my friends to feel sorry for me.</p>
<p>I deserve it.  <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And meeze if you read this don&#8217;t worry.  El&#8217;s just a hater <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   lol.</p>
<p>All in good humor<br />
~W</p>
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		<title>By: El Santo</title>
		<link>http://webcomicoverlook.com/2009/07/02/the-webcomic-overlook-87-loyalty-liberty/#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Santo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m actually pretty forgiving about the art if the story can make up for it.  It doesn&#039;t; the characters are hard to keep track of, and the dilemmas presented --- like the &quot;doomed romance&quot; section --- I didn&#039;t care much for.  (Like I said, it felt like crib-notes for an educational tour of historical sites.  Unfortunately, that didn&#039;t come across in the review since I harped so much on the weirdness of the cat faces ...  which, as detailed as they are --- and obviously the product of a lot of hard work --- still look unnatural to me).

I agree with you, though, Meeker does have a particularly strong concept: the Revolutionary War as seen from the side of Loyalists.  In America, we&#039;re only given lip service as to what the Loyalists were going through during the war.  It was a whole 1/3 of the country that sided with England, after all.  Surely, life wasn&#039;t easy with all these treasonous rebels running around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually pretty forgiving about the art if the story can make up for it.  It doesn&#8217;t; the characters are hard to keep track of, and the dilemmas presented &#8212; like the &#8220;doomed romance&#8221; section &#8212; I didn&#8217;t care much for.  (Like I said, it felt like crib-notes for an educational tour of historical sites.  Unfortunately, that didn&#8217;t come across in the review since I harped so much on the weirdness of the cat faces &#8230;  which, as detailed as they are &#8212; and obviously the product of a lot of hard work &#8212; still look unnatural to me).</p>
<p>I agree with you, though, Meeker does have a particularly strong concept: the Revolutionary War as seen from the side of Loyalists.  In America, we&#8217;re only given lip service as to what the Loyalists were going through during the war.  It was a whole 1/3 of the country that sided with England, after all.  Surely, life wasn&#8217;t easy with all these treasonous rebels running around.</p>
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