The Webcomic Overlook #62: Grim Tales From Down Below

December 21, 2008 at 11:57 am | In 1 Star, The Webcomic Overlook, WCO Big Review, action webcomic, adventure webcomic, anime, fantasy webcomic, horror webcomic, manga style webcomic, pop culture caricatures, webcomics | 37 Comments
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One day, I will be reduced to a quivering neurotic heap in need of serious psychiatric help. It’s a question of “when,” not “if.” And when I get the bill, I’m forwarding it to loyal reader Christopher. Why? Because of comments like this, which showed up in my review of Vinson Ngo’s, nee Bleedman’s, Sugar Bits:

Grim Tales From Down Below really isn’t bad in a fun way. I mean, the Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi is awful, but the nostalgic concept of having all the good cartoons fight all the bad ones is kind of neat, and reciting all of Dexter’s super-dramatic monologues in his trademark accent is fun. It moves along at a semi-brisk pace and it’s over quickly.

Grim Tales though… man. To answer an earlier question, yes, Mandy grew up, married Grim, and somehow had kids with him. And that is not NEARLY the most disturbing thing that happens in Grim Tales. And the thing is, unlike the PPG doujinshii, Grim Tales is INCREDIBLY BORING. It’s much closer to Sugarbits in that respect.

Read that again. Now ask yourself: is there anything in the world that would keep me from taking a look at Grim Tales? There are few things more alluring than cultural dreck. I may never have the guts to climb perilous cliff faces, go skydiving, or even think about braving the Moab in a flimsy little Jeep… but, goddammit, I can prove that I can survive the most mind-numbing movies, books, and comics known to man!

Even better, it seems that recently Grim Tales and the rest of the Bleedman Unholy Trinity (Sugar Bits, reviewed here, and Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi, reviewed here) has been brought back from the dead. On a chance click to the Snafu Comics site, I came to the joyous revelation that all three comics had been updated. My eyes welled with tears of morbid fascination. It was like Bleedman had given me an early Christmas present. Little did it cross my mind that Christopher’s post was not a challenge, but rather, a dire warning. Oh, if only I’d listened.

If there were a time to heed Dante Alighieri’s warning of “Abandon hope all ye who enter here,” this would be the time. It only took 10 pages for me to start clawing at my eyes. 30 pages for me to start muttering, “What the hell, Bleedman. What the HELL?!?!?!” And thus began my accursed descent into incomprehensible awfulness and stupidity.

Abandon hope.

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The story starts off with two skeletal kids named Minimandy (nicknamed “Minnie”) and Grim, Jr. And yes, these two moppets are kids of Grim and Mandy from “The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy.” How did these two end up having babies? I’ll tell you later, since that’s a horror story in itself. Anyway, Grim, looking more square-jawed these days, is still sportin’ that wild Jamaican accent, mon. Mandy, meanwhile, is taking advantage of her new MILF status by walking around not wearing pants, even in front of her kids. I imagine that this gratuitous Mandy fanservice will ultimate disappoint Grim Adventures fans, though, since Mrs. Grim looks a lot less like Mandy and a lot more like a heavy-browed Sailor Venus.

Wow, what a load of … uh, what a delightful and wholly original premise, huh? So where precisely does Grim Tales transcend from a figurative, literary Hell to a literal one? Dear reader, please observe a list that I like to call The Seven Deadly Sins of Grim Tales.

1.) Annoying little twerps for heroes. My guess is that we’re supposed to see Minimandy as highly capable yet distant like any number of anime ice queens, and we’re supposed to sympathize with Grim Jr. for his feelings of inadequacy and helplessness. This never happens. In fact, it doesn’t take long to develop a keen and burning hatred toward both of these idiots. For her part, Minnie never comes across as exercising any independent thought. She’s either controlled by her emotions for her brother (more on that later) or controlled by the expectations of older people. Let’s just say that I was very disappointed to learn that she was not, in fact, a Fembot. The only thing missing from her blank face (standard settings: apathy and furious rage) is a small drip of drool coming out the side of her mouth.

And yet, somehow, by some sort of ungodly miracle, Minimandy turns out not to be the biggest tool in the entire comic. That honor belongs to her brother, Grim Jr. If his dumbass emo hoodie and grating EXTREME attitude doesn’t immediately put you off, there’s this: he’s seriously the whiniest little bitch on the entire planet. From the moment we meet him, he won’t shut up how no one pays attention to him because his sister is so precious. And when he does whine and bitch, he pulls the world’s most slap-worthy “Woe is me” face. There’s a difference between creating a severely flawed character and a sniveling crybaby. The first one lets you believe there’s a glimmer of redemption in the character, while the second should be slapped hard and often.

2.) Too many goddamn cameos. I wrote earlier how I could forgive at least some of the fanfic aspects of Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi (reviewed here). Yet, as Grim Tales dragged on, from one accursed page to the next, I found myself far less forgiving this time around. Seriously… Spawn? Nightmare Before Christmas? Wherever the hell this jackass is from? Danny Phantom? Him from the Powerpuff Girls? Joe Black?

Seriously, f***ing Joe Black? Does anyone even remember that movie?

At least with his Powerpuff Girls comic, you could almost believe that Dexter and the girls were going to the same school. This time around, though, each and every “guest appearance” seems entirely needless and totally gratuitous.

For example, is there anything more pointless than committing three pages to the “This is Halloween” sequence from Nightmare Before Christmas? Take this sequence out, and you lose nothing but you gain A LOT. Why? Because if you have any affection for the song, then you’d prefer to leave your memories untainted.

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3.) Terrible, TERRIBLE dialogue. Bleedman’s love for epic levels of text hits the critical point in this comic. It’s not only a chore to read through, but it’s so painful that long term exposure will probably kill you. It ranges from minor infractions, like the decision to have Grim use “Fook!” as a Jamaican-accented euphemism. Yet it balloons to terrible, terrible missteps like equating purple prose with intellectual talk. Consider this gem from resident poet Minimandy, which pops up on the very first page:

Pray tell, what is this sound that pierces mine ears? It sings of loneliness and longing — my heart bleeds from the very whisper of it! Is it the voice of souls tormented in the shadows, or merely the wind that sweeps past us?

Bleedman: it’s OK to listen to something other than My Chemical Romance.

4.) No plot whatsoever. Or, should I say, “Goddammit, I am not going to read this bullshit again just so I can determine if there was a plot in the first place.” Spoiler warnings ahead … like you care.

It somehow stems from Minimandy and Grim Jr. being step-siblings. Minimandy is actually the daughter of Mandy and Nergal, which is where Minnie inherits her Witchblade powers. (Sigh.) From what I gather, this is part of some sort of underworld genetic experiment to turn Minimandy into the most powerful being in the universe. Thus, she’s coveted by various Spawn and Powerpuff Girls characters.

So when she’s killed, and … uh … Grim Jr. somehow morphs into cybernetic killing machine fueled by the sheer power of his tragic emo-ness. And then … er …

You know what? F*** this noise. You can read it yourself if you’re interested. Let’s move on.

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5.) You knew this was coming: incest. Admit it: from the moment I said that the stars for the comic were a brother/sister duo, and especially after seeing Bleedman’s renditions of Minnie is several jailbait outfits, you sorta expected this was coming. Fortunately, Bleedman doesn’t take it to the levels that Jay Naylor does in Better Days (reviewed here). The furthest this has been taken (so far) is Grim Jr. placing a kiss on Minnie’s lips, breaking a spell that restores her Catholic schoolgirl shame.

In some ways, though, that makes it worse. It plays like a scene from one of those PG-rated anime titles, what with all the blushing and impotent hand-wringing and the slaps to the faces … only that the romantic duo happen to be related. Ewwwwww.

6.) Sad attempts at shock value. “Sad” in the sense that you sorta read it, click over to the next page, and then think, “Huh, I think I was supposed to be offended by something.” Then you click the back button and sorta go, “Oh yeah. ABORTION.”

Or, similarly, “I get it. We’re supposed to be shocked because she has no hands.”

Or, “Oh. She slit her throat.”

Shockers so transparent and obvious that they barely work up a smirk. I liken them to those crude drawings we used to make in the fourth grade of helicopters shooting bullets into the poor soldiers down below, only with higher production values.

This next one is very closely related, but I think it merited a “sin” all of its very own.

7.) Mind blowing stupidity. I suppose this could be a blanket statement that could cover pretty much the entirety of Grim Tales From Down Below, but there’s one incident, in particular, that is probably the King of All Stupidity In Webcomics. It boils down to why Grim married Mandy. Going beyond the obvious questions of “What kind of fruitcake decides to ship Grim and Mandy in the first place?” there’s the question of attraction.

Now, there’s no sense of affection coming from Mandy to Grim, which I suppose is inline with the robotic nature of her character. Also, I suspect that Bleedman (at least when he wrote it) has no idea how women actually talk, and thus decided to forego any attempt in the first place. However, Grim is insanely attracted to Mandy. Why?

Because Mandy’s a leader of some Nazi superwarriors who take over the world while looking fabulous in a business suit.

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“OK, that’s pretty stupid,” you say. “But number one sin? I was expecting something truly horrible. It’s not like he made Mandy personally responsible for 9-11, did he?”

Nope. He did.

And not just that. He also says she was responsible for Katrina. And the Boxing Day Tsunami, which I understand killed 350,000 people. And basically the whole Iraq War. Wow. Why not throw the 2006 Mumbai subway bombings, eh? Now, no doubt most of you find this absolutely tasteless. And it IS! But lest we be too judgmental and accuse Mr. Ngo of transparently attempting to be “edgy,” let’s let the guy defend himself. Here’s a snippet from his blog (if you want to read the full version, scroll to the bottom of this link — and incidentally, our should be very nervous that I only posted a small snippet below):

I felt a bit nervous when I started making these pages. And I can truly understand if I have made some people very upset over it .But at least hear me out..

I too am entitled to express my point of view.

I was just trying to find ways how I can relate the concept of the characters with our real world.

I guess we’ll start off with Mandy. What I love about Mandy as a character is that she sees the real world, not some idealistic “only good and justice prevails freedom for all and love is everything screwed up”wonderland.

Although she’s just a fictitous cartoon character, for me she’s someone I can trully relate in our world.

You can’t really blame Mandy for what she did, she’s only doing her job as the Grim Reaper, sure she made the plans. But that’s what every Grim Reaper should do (remember the movie Final Destination) At the same time Mandy is a reincarnation of all evil, her existence is the source of humanity’s darkest and most cruel essence. While Billy on the other hand and is a representation and a source of man’s stupidity .And because mankind welcomes both evil and stupidity so willingly Mandy is able to carry out her plans.

In short, Mandy simply presented her ideas to mankind and mankind simply accepted it with open arms.

( Because we am dumb and bad humans.)

I know this is going to sound funny from soneone who writes marathon-sized reviews, but I’d like to share a word of advice to you webcomic writers out there: never explain the rationale behind your bonehead decisions in a rambling blog post. More specifically, never explain the rationale behind your bonehead decision behind an overly indulgent, insulting, nonsensical, bullshit rambling blog post ripped out of a tear-stained diary entry when you were feeling really, really depressed. There is no way you will ever come off as anything other than a crazy person.

I really shouldn’t have to explain to you why it’s a dumb idea to use real world disasters as a plot point. I will point out, though, that better writers can make it work. I’m sure Trey Parker and Matt Stone could’ve transformed the same themes into a biting comedy. What’s the most insulting about the “controversial” panel in Grim Tales? The fact that it’s surrounded by the world’s worst writing.

I mean… up until this point, we’ve had silly Spawn cameos, a lengthy Nightmare Before Christmas sequence, some goofy story about Billy and Mandy taking turns as Grim Reaper, a Teletubbies cameo — and now we’re supposed to seriously accept this grade school assessment on the natural badness of the human condition? Really? REALLY? The worst part is that, according to Wikipedia, Bleedman ran a poll whether or not to keep the 9-11 strips, and his fans unsurprisingly voted to keep it. I’m not going to argue that Grim Tales fans aren’t fine, upstanding arbiters of good taste. Yet, is there any reason to run this poll other than to pass the blame for your awful storytelling decisions onto your readers?

I really think Bleedman is a decent artist. I find illustrations to be quite attractive, whether it’s the cartoony illustrations from earlier in Grim Tales to the later attempts at trying something darker. But he’s an awful writer, and that’s what makes Grim Tales a torture to read. It’s terrible fanfiction from the deepest circles of Hell.

Bleedman, please do yourself a favor and turn off the goddamn Cartoon Network (or whatever it’s called in the Philippines), go online and find someone who writes a decent comic but is a terrible artist, team up with them and create some magic. Not problem with drawing characters that aren’t yours? No problem! Most of the time, you’re drawing characters you didn’t create, either! It’s a win-win situation!

Rating: 1 star (out of 5)

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  1. Mini Mandy’s actually the daughter of Nergal Jr., meaning Nergal is her grandfather. Not that it makes any of this any better. Oh God. I honestly don’t care much for Bleedman’s artwork, even. I suppose by itself, it’s not that bad, but seeing all these different shows in the same manga style just kind of bores me after a while and some of it just doesn’t work at all. For example, what’s with HIM being so manga bad-ass and not the least bit effeminate? But, yeah, you picked up on everything I hate about this comic: He just tries so damn hard to be edgy that it just sucks all together.

  2. As I said above, what really gets me about Grim Tales is that Bleedman has taken all this Mondo Cane nonsense and made it incredibly boring.

    With all that tasteless nonsense flying about it should at least be entertaining in a freak show kind of way, but it isn’t.

    To be simultaneously this offensive and this boring takes some real anti-talent.

  3. You’re not weaseling out of my mental health bill, buddy.

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  5. Where as Ngo was content to broadcast his taste in late night entertainment in disturbing but fairly mild panty shots and a spanking scene in PPG doujinshi, he has made his loli fetish so central to Sugar Bits and Grim Tales that I am beginning to fear that I risk incarceration every time I check for an update.

    He is not the worst I have read however. Try reading sailor moon fanfiction written by a deaf geologist with a substandard grasp of conversational grammar. Sailorenergy.net, go ahead I dare ya. Though I will say while the fellow certainly lacks Bleedman’s artistic polish he does forego the fanboy fetishizing and tries to tell stories consistent with the original characters and plots.

  6. Dont be mean, I read Grim Tales and I enjoyed it, the cameos are fun and although I ordinarily hate the main characters in Fan fic I took quite a liking to Grim Jnr. & Minnie.

  7. I try not to be mean when I can, Tegan. :) I understand everyone has different opinions, and the popular webcomics (like Grim Tales) wouldn’t have gotten there if there weren’t fans. I try to let everyone speak their piece on this site, whether or not they agree with me.

  8. So we get nothing but eye candy in the end. But isn’t that what reading fan comics is all about?

  9. I,personally, LOVE the comic Grim Tales From Down Below. I found it yesterday online and couldnt stop reading!!! So i guess thats what i think

  10. grim tales is one of the bast comics i ever red i meen it beta than most of this so calld pro stuff it makes naruto and one pices look like shit and if he continus it colud be beta than bleach or ifin dragon ball (frgiv my spelling im drunk)

  11. Just to let you know who ever reviwied this comic is a compleat and uter fucking retard to let u know i just changed my name it was just tony and i still love Grim Taels you go bleedmon keep at it u rock

  12. i know i did put some rash comments and i stand bay them if u dont like the comic just say coz i finde your revew very unfer the reson i put thes comment up is coz i got my e-mail thing rong.

  13. Thank you for your comments, Top Gear Tony. I don’t think the WordPress program worries too much about e-mail addresses. I think it only asks about e-mail to defray spammers and such. It does tend to do funny things on the icon they assign you, though!

  14. Grim tales isn’t exactly the worst, but it’s not the best. I love the artwork, but the only reasons I can tolerate reading it is 1. I love some of the shows that are thrown into it (Like Nightmare Before Christmas and Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy)
    2. I am bored ( it is something to do, and since my school doesn’t allow you to log onto onemanga or youtube I’ll read it.)

    “Bleedman, please do yourself a favor and turn off the goddamn Cartoon Network (or whatever it’s called in the Philippines), go online and find someone who writes a decent comic but is a terrible artist, team up with them and create some magic. Not problem with drawing characters that aren’t yours? No problem! Most of the time, you’re drawing characters you didn’t create, either! It’s a win-win situation!”

    I think you’re right. He needs to find someone who is a great writer, and character designer and he’ll have something great!

  15. Your school lets you read this?

  16. well you like the comic or not, that doesn’t change that bleedman got a lot of fans because of his comics! >_>
    also I think he’s really good at artwork and drawing!

  17. Doesn’t mean it’s good writing.

  18. Hello,
    I have find Bleedman’s artwork on Deviantart website and then link to complete archive of this comic. I read it all and I like it. It may be not the best story that could be written about Grim and Mandy (actually it’s mainly not about them), but it’s interesting to read and see how author mixed it with other worlds and stories. Take it as IT IS. A free fantasy based on author’s favorite characters, experience, vision, taste and feelings. I was disturbed by 9-11 panel, but not more than when I see “Never Forget” sticker on passing car and realizing that , YES, we are forgetting. We replaced pain with slogan and then forget what it was for. – It’s kind’a normal healing process I think. – Any way I like Bleedman’s artwork and coloring. I would like to see new story, when Grim Jr. will find himself and his reason to be. When Minnie will lost her loving and nice girl characteristics (they are not fit in the family) and develop more Mandy’s attitude – cold , rational and deadly logical. I would like to see how mom Mandy changed and how Grim Sr. changed as life next to her should straighten his character to something that she would be like to live with – otherwise Mandy would eat him and became The Ripper herself. I would like to know why these two decided to have kids there should be a logical reason otherwise Mandy would make someone do it for her 8) . … I think I’m talking too much. 8) …. I hope you got my point of view.

    Final word: – I don’t think it’s that bad as this review said (otherwise I would see a lot of good stories around) .

    P.S. – I would recommend author of this review to see very good movie – Ratatouille. – and Yes, I remember who Joe Black is.

    • Thanks for the comment, Issumbosi! And thanks for the “Ratatouille” recommendation. I’ve seen bits and pieces of the movie, but I haven’t had time to see the whole thing. Coincidentally, I do have a rather famous “Ratatouille” quote in my “About the Site” page.

  19. its not that bad i personally would give a 3 outta 5, that means average….the thing that led you to giving it 1 out of 5 is probably the section on stupidity…well the original show is about grim(the not-so-menacing reaper)mandy(probably a evil fearless genius) and billy( an idiot) so how far can a Fanfiction steer away from the stupidity….besides, the things you talk about how stupid it is and a lot of other details apply to almost all fantasy that is based on horror but have comedy in it so it is not particularly fair to use it as a point…

  20. personally i’m neutral, i mean you can think its stupid OR its creative in some sense…I heard people say BLEEDMAN IS A SERIOUS FUCKTARD and I seen people say BLEEDMAN’S A GENIOUS!

    His comics have views a little too extreme lol

  21. heh, I got my email wrong too…sorry

  22. oh and to bleedman, erm, why does the muscel ghostly guy have thick eye-brows?

  23. If you don’t like the comic, then shut up and read something else.

    • I like you, GB. That’s basically what I was trying to say. Took me 2000 words to say it, I’m afraid, but I’ve always been a bit logarheic.

  24. man! the person who wrote this is a suckin-idiot!
    if the writer is so clever..why not you make the story?!
    it at least make bleedman took hard 4years to complete GT
    if you are so clever…proof it! your not a genuis with all your freakin-tok!

    • Wow. The auto-generated avatar actually works out with that post.

      Anyway, the “why not you make the story” or similar arguments hardly ever hold water. Try extending that argument to every other medium and you’ll see why.

      Movies: “If the movie critic is so clever, why doesn’t he go film his own movie and show how it’s supposed to be done?”

      Sports: “If the sports critic really wants to criticize Oscar De La Hoya, why doesn’t he go in the ring and prove how it’s done?”

      Simple answer: critics are irascible jerks who live to tear down the works of everyone else. More complex answer: because you don’t have to be good at the medium to be a critic. Roger Ebert is the best movie critic around, and his only screenplay was for the awful “Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.” Martin Scorcese is one of the best directors around, but I don’t know if I’ll ever read his movie reviews.

      Besides, just because you worked on something for four years doesn’t mean that the final output is anything less than garbage.

  25. Hello, Well I would say we are discuss Bleedman’s work here not El Santo’s critique. And I would think twice before called someone you don’t know in a negative way. Not me, no need to show your level of cultural education here. Now back to comics and review. Review was posted as personal view of author and should stimulate you to get your own. If you not argee post your review about the comix, not emmotions. I beleive Epilogue is posted on Snafu-Comix and now it is the end of the explanation how Minnie got her look. I believe GT is very promissing idea and I would like to see new story and development of the characters.

  26. Well I didn’t think the comic was so bad. I don’t see why you critisize so much. It was actually interesting with great pictures. The connections with all the cartoons was kinda tiresome tho. I liked Grim Junior and Minnie they were so cute (not together, ew). Of course the incest was creepy, but over all it was good.

  27. Grim Tales is over. Or so I thought. Apparently, Bleedman’s planning a sequel and has gone back to the Powerpuff Girls thing. I really wish he’d try something different with a more competent writer.

    • You know, I ran across the final panel of “Grim Tales” once and I admit I scratched my head. Did that look like any semblance of an ending to anyone? Still, I guess it makes just about as much sense as anything else in the comic.

  28. [...] Tales (reviewed here) has ended, apparently. I am SO heart-broken. Though reader Quijotesca tells me that Bleedman’s threatening a sequel. Um… [...]

  29. finally someone speaking the truth outloud from this pedoman’s comic. i thought everyone was stupidized by this shit by now

  30. One thing I notice is that Chapter 2 credits Heather M. Solomon for part of the story, while Bleedman is also credited with the story. http://grim.snafu-comics.com/?comic_id=24

    El Santo, do you think the story is better, worse, or the same when Solomon is and when Solomon is not involved in the writing?

  31. Actually, I thought Chapter 2 is where Grim Tales went off the rails. I’m a little surprised that Bleedman didn’t completely write it, but I guess I see a shift in the tone (even when compared to the Powerpuff Girls comic). Chapter 2 is written by some who embraces character development as the most important thing when writing a story. However, since she is so inexperienced with writing good characters, she falls back to some really terrible cliches that were likely picked up from a particularly bad anime.

  32. questi fumetti sono la mia passione da quando facevo l’asilo da piccola i miei non mi lasciavano con mia sorella a casa e quindi ho dei fumetti in camera mia e li legevo tutti uno dopo l’altro finche i miei non venivano ma visto che adesso sono molto cresciuta e ho circa 13 anni non apro che cosa farei da grande…….adesso devo finire le medie e devo anche fare l’esame,,,,…spero che legeste questa lettera…
    rispondete se voi volete!!!
    che lavoro posso fare,se mi piaciono i fumetti e sono brava a disegniare????
    mi potete dire come andrenno le cose alle medie per l’esame????
    e tutto qua grazie mille grazie di avermi letto la mia lettera prezosa

    by Tysana

  33. I was looking through some pictures of Amy Rose (You know, Sonic the Hedgehog?) and found a version of Amy in Bleedman style and then found out about the comics. I was really excited about it because i saw some characters that i recognised and thought it was a cartoon/comic like Ruby Gloom(I LOVE that show!) but with a twist of action in it. I was wrong. Very wrong. I had read tid-bits of some of Bleedman comics and found myself not wanting to read anymore of it. It was that bad. Brother and sister looking like they’re about to kiss and then people cutting themselves and all this crap about demon powers and evil souls and the Devil…i just got completely put off by it all. Yeah I agree the review here and wish that Bleedman should go and team up with a writer that actually knows of what he is DOING. I really love the art work and style but was deeply disappointed in the whole plot/story…thing, whatever it is.
    I like the characters though!


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